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		<title>Comment on Response to the Governor&#8217;s Actions on Education Bills by Darren Willis</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Darren Willis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jan 2012 23:01:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[David- I&#039;m not quite understanding how insulting Don Dupont puts you in a superior position or makes your case stronger. By doing so you are taking up the two lowest tiers on the Hierarchy of Disagreement. Aim for the top, please.  http://theappleeaters.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/disagreementhierarchy.jpg]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David- I&#8217;m not quite understanding how insulting Don Dupont puts you in a superior position or makes your case stronger. By doing so you are taking up the two lowest tiers on the Hierarchy of Disagreement. Aim for the top, please.  <a href="http://theappleeaters.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/disagreementhierarchy.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://theappleeaters.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/disagreementhierarchy.jpg</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Response to the Governor&#8217;s Actions on Education Bills by Darren Willis</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Darren Willis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jan 2012 22:49:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Too bad the proposed creativity index score (as it currently proposed) does not include the efforts of students who do creative projects in their woodworking, metal shop, graphics, and web design classes; yet I see &quot;Science Fair Projects&quot; are counted towards a schools creative index score. Curious, no?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too bad the proposed creativity index score (as it currently proposed) does not include the efforts of students who do creative projects in their woodworking, metal shop, graphics, and web design classes; yet I see &#8220;Science Fair Projects&#8221; are counted towards a schools creative index score. Curious, no?</p>
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		<title>Comment on How will AB 165 affect your school district? by Jose</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Oct 2011 20:34:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How does this apply to outside tutoring,  which in our district the kids who get good grades all get?   Ie, a child who goes to outside of school tutoring does well in class and gets good grades,  but a child who cannot afford such tutoring services ends up with a bad grade and no real learning.  

How will AB 165 address this ?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How does this apply to outside tutoring,  which in our district the kids who get good grades all get?   Ie, a child who goes to outside of school tutoring does well in class and gets good grades,  but a child who cannot afford such tutoring services ends up with a bad grade and no real learning.  </p>
<p>How will AB 165 address this ?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Response to the Governor&#8217;s Actions on Education Bills by David Plettner-Saunders</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Plettner-Saunders]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Oct 2011 23:14:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Don Dupont (who is president elect of the Career Idustrial and Technology Educators Association) is wrong to say opponents of 1330 are against choice or against CTEC. We absolutely support a student&#039;s right to choose their future and their electives, and there are many ways in which arts education and career tech can collaborate. We are exploring this very opportunity in a new strategic plan for San Diego Unified School District. 

And Don, disagreements aside, it is doubly wrong for you to personalize this debate by calling &quot;shame.&quot; This simply cheapens a legitimate policy question. Perhaps you shouldn&#039;t be blogging at 1:21 a.m. and should wait until your thoughts are clearer.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don Dupont (who is president elect of the Career Idustrial and Technology Educators Association) is wrong to say opponents of 1330 are against choice or against CTEC. We absolutely support a student&#8217;s right to choose their future and their electives, and there are many ways in which arts education and career tech can collaborate. We are exploring this very opportunity in a new strategic plan for San Diego Unified School District. </p>
<p>And Don, disagreements aside, it is doubly wrong for you to personalize this debate by calling &#8220;shame.&#8221; This simply cheapens a legitimate policy question. Perhaps you shouldn&#8217;t be blogging at 1:21 a.m. and should wait until your thoughts are clearer.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How will AB 165 affect your school district? by Iwouldgetfired iftheyknew</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Oct 2011 17:43:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Music is obviously impacted.  However, any subject that has a field trip is also impacted and the aggregate is very harmful to students.

For example, we have taken our science students to an amusement park each year to enrich their physics knowledge.  They took measurements, did calculations, and had a good time doing so.

For this, students had to pay a deeply discounted ticket price.  The few students who wished to go on the trip and who couldn&#039;t afford it were discreetly allowed to go, their tickets usually paid for out of the teacher&#039;s pockets.

Now, despite the veto, the word has come down that we cannot charge direct fees for anything.  All we can do is fund-raise in general, and it is quite clear that any parent who wishes to pay nothing can do so and still expect their student to receive all the benefits funded by the paying parents.

The result is that our field trip has been cancelled.  Teachers cannot take the risk of being left with a bill for thousands of dollars worth of tickets if parents fail to come up with the money.  The students will now sit in their classroom and watch a video about roller coasters.

I hope that the proponents of this lawsuit and bill are proud of themselves.  What they have done is guarantee that every student receives a basic level of education, and no more,]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Music is obviously impacted.  However, any subject that has a field trip is also impacted and the aggregate is very harmful to students.</p>
<p>For example, we have taken our science students to an amusement park each year to enrich their physics knowledge.  They took measurements, did calculations, and had a good time doing so.</p>
<p>For this, students had to pay a deeply discounted ticket price.  The few students who wished to go on the trip and who couldn&#8217;t afford it were discreetly allowed to go, their tickets usually paid for out of the teacher&#8217;s pockets.</p>
<p>Now, despite the veto, the word has come down that we cannot charge direct fees for anything.  All we can do is fund-raise in general, and it is quite clear that any parent who wishes to pay nothing can do so and still expect their student to receive all the benefits funded by the paying parents.</p>
<p>The result is that our field trip has been cancelled.  Teachers cannot take the risk of being left with a bill for thousands of dollars worth of tickets if parents fail to come up with the money.  The students will now sit in their classroom and watch a video about roller coasters.</p>
<p>I hope that the proponents of this lawsuit and bill are proud of themselves.  What they have done is guarantee that every student receives a basic level of education, and no more,</p>
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		<title>Comment on Response to the Governor&#8217;s Actions on Education Bills by Don Dupont</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Don Dupont]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2011 01:21:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So what you&#039;re saying is that a student who would rather take a CTE class should be forced to take an arts class even if it doesn&#039;t interest him/her and doesn&#039;t fit in with his/her future plans. You are against choice. And you call yourselves educators? Shame on you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what you&#8217;re saying is that a student who would rather take a CTE class should be forced to take an arts class even if it doesn&#8217;t interest him/her and doesn&#8217;t fit in with his/her future plans. You are against choice. And you call yourselves educators? Shame on you.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Response to the Governor&#8217;s Actions on Education Bills by Andrea Temkin</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrea Temkin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2011 20:15:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re:  Governor Brown praised “student excitement and creativity”, even though, in his judgement “they can’t be placed in a data stream. ”

At recent AEP conference Milton Chen identified the &quot;data stream&quot; by which to assess:  &quot;Do students run IN to school, as fast as they run out?&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re:  Governor Brown praised “student excitement and creativity”, even though, in his judgement “they can’t be placed in a data stream. ”</p>
<p>At recent AEP conference Milton Chen identified the &#8220;data stream&#8221; by which to assess:  &#8220;Do students run IN to school, as fast as they run out?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Response to the Governor&#8217;s Actions on Education Bills by Brad Erickson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brad Erickson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2011 17:20:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well said, Joe.  We did take a hit this round, but you make a great point in saying that creativity and innovation are now firmly identified as goals for a complete education, and the arts have a huge role to play in developing the creative imagination of every school child.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said, Joe.  We did take a hit this round, but you make a great point in saying that creativity and innovation are now firmly identified as goals for a complete education, and the arts have a huge role to play in developing the creative imagination of every school child.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How will AB 165 affect your school district? by Joel Covarrubias</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joel Covarrubias]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Oct 2011 22:20:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I do appreciate the intent of this bill.    Unfortunately, this bill, in trying to help and protect those students in greatest need, has been a disaster for music instruction for the rest of us.

In the past, music students in Long Beach USD provided their own instruments for practice and instruction.  Now, the instruments must be provided by the school.  But of course, our schools barely have money for music instructors, let alone instruments for everybody.  The result is that music instruction has been drastically curtailed to a bare minimum.  Specifically: music is no longer available for third-grade students, only violin is available for fourth graders, and winds are only available to fifth graders.

I hope that my district will implement a voluntary program to collect money for instruments, so that instruction can be revived for our children.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do appreciate the intent of this bill.    Unfortunately, this bill, in trying to help and protect those students in greatest need, has been a disaster for music instruction for the rest of us.</p>
<p>In the past, music students in Long Beach USD provided their own instruments for practice and instruction.  Now, the instruments must be provided by the school.  But of course, our schools barely have money for music instructors, let alone instruments for everybody.  The result is that music instruction has been drastically curtailed to a bare minimum.  Specifically: music is no longer available for third-grade students, only violin is available for fourth graders, and winds are only available to fifth graders.</p>
<p>I hope that my district will implement a voluntary program to collect money for instruments, so that instruction can be revived for our children.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How will AB 165 affect your school district? by Dan Molinari</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan Molinari]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Oct 2011 23:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Among a myriad of other successful school programs, the representatives who voted to pass AB165 killed many elementary instrumental music programs. Long Beach Unified, a district that ran one of the best elementary music programs in the state, cancelled their elementary string program because they didn&#039;t have the funds to purchase the musical instruments as required by AB165.   

At the elementary level a child’s mind is wide open to new ideas - much more at this time than when they reach middle or certainly at the high school. This is why there has always been greater participation at the elementary level. Elementary music has always been the “feeder program” for middle and high school music. Student participation is high when a music program is offered as curriculum. Offer it before or after school and a school districts sees a 95% or more drop in participation. That’s 5 out of 100 that would have participated in music if it were offered as curriculum. Participation is not enough to pay a teacher and it surely isn’t going to generate enough students for the middle or high school bands and orchestras. 

In the short run, the net result of AB165 will be elementary teachers out of work and thousands young minds not exposed to the enjoyment of music. In the long run, middle and high school teachers will be let go due to lack of student participation. Not to mention music retailers that have supplied students will rental instruments and supplies. They too will be a part of history.

Many studies have been done relating music to successful achievement in school. I guess we can afford to hobble our students once again with this bill. Although AB165 makes sense on one level – it doesn’t on many others. It would have been nice if our representatives gave more thought to this bill before passing it. 

But Wait! It’s not too late. All you rep’s have to do is pass an amendment to the law making it “OK to Play”….. Well - maybe not – that would be too easy!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Among a myriad of other successful school programs, the representatives who voted to pass AB165 killed many elementary instrumental music programs. Long Beach Unified, a district that ran one of the best elementary music programs in the state, cancelled their elementary string program because they didn&#8217;t have the funds to purchase the musical instruments as required by AB165.   </p>
<p>At the elementary level a child’s mind is wide open to new ideas &#8211; much more at this time than when they reach middle or certainly at the high school. This is why there has always been greater participation at the elementary level. Elementary music has always been the “feeder program” for middle and high school music. Student participation is high when a music program is offered as curriculum. Offer it before or after school and a school districts sees a 95% or more drop in participation. That’s 5 out of 100 that would have participated in music if it were offered as curriculum. Participation is not enough to pay a teacher and it surely isn’t going to generate enough students for the middle or high school bands and orchestras. </p>
<p>In the short run, the net result of AB165 will be elementary teachers out of work and thousands young minds not exposed to the enjoyment of music. In the long run, middle and high school teachers will be let go due to lack of student participation. Not to mention music retailers that have supplied students will rental instruments and supplies. They too will be a part of history.</p>
<p>Many studies have been done relating music to successful achievement in school. I guess we can afford to hobble our students once again with this bill. Although AB165 makes sense on one level – it doesn’t on many others. It would have been nice if our representatives gave more thought to this bill before passing it. </p>
<p>But Wait! It’s not too late. All you rep’s have to do is pass an amendment to the law making it “OK to Play”….. Well &#8211; maybe not – that would be too easy!</p>
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